sarcasm123 at 12:07 PM JST - 9th May
And it does not matter what "the Japanese" did.
Uh??? I matters 100%. If the Japanese had not done whatthey did they would not have been bombed. How can you say it doesn't matter?? The US did not bomb - say - Canada, as Canadians did not aggressively invade half of Asia. The Japanese did, hence they got bombed. So, what "the Japanese" did, DOES matter.
Neither the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki nor the people behind this museum are "the Japanese".
Can you tell me about people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki at that time protesting against the actions their country did? No, you can't, because they didn't. They supported it, along with > 99% of all other Japanese.
Its really not that hard to understand is it? You don't shoot Jack's wife and child for what Jack did. You shoot Jack.
How does this apply on Japan"s actions? Jack (the US) starts some embargos on Japan, so Japan invades Jack's wife (Asia). Are you trying to tell us that Japan was any better than the US? Again, if Japan had not done what it did, it wouldn't have gotten bombed.
The denial of other Japanese is irrelevant.
It is VERY relevant. The Japanese are on track to FORGET everything, except the things where they were the victims. In 50 years their view on history will be like this: "We Japansese were doing nothing wrong, when suddenly those bad Americans came and dropped 2 bombs on our cities, without any warning". You might not oppose to such views, but I can assure you that I and many others do.
Do I feel bad for the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Yes. But, do I feel more bad for the victims of the Japanese actions? Yes. Do I feel the bombs were justified? If it helps reducing the total number of vicimts of the cruel Japanese actions, by all means: YES. The actions of the Japanese are the cause of their suffering. Don't twist the logical flow of the events.
That statements by yahoos in black vans is irrelevant.
The Japanese people as a whole do not seem to oppose the yahoos in black vans.
The government textbooks are irrelevant.
The Japanese people as a whole do not seem to mind that their govenment is rewriting history.
Japan is supposed to be a democracy. What the people want shall be done. So, apparently, the Japanese as a whole want to rewrite history, and forget all about the bad things Japan did, while keeping everyone around the world reminded of the A-bombs.
Totally and absolutely irrelevant, contrived and hypocritical.
HYPOCRITICAL?? WHO is hypocritical? The Japanese are. It is the Japanese who whine on and on about being bombed, while not mentioning a word (yes, even denying) everything they did.
You cannot justify the murder of innocent civilians because of what a guilty military did!
Again, can you tell me a few people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki who opposed the actions of the Japanese military? I will be kind to you: I will be even happy if you can tell me about some group in Hiroshima and Nagasaki opposing them NOW, not at the time.
You can't. There are none. They are completely silent on the subject. And you are calling ME hypocritical.
They just want the horror of the A-bombs recognized to ensure that it does not happen again.
Yes, you are right. They want the horros of the A-bombs, AND ONLY THE A-BOMBS, recognized.
mindovermatter at 12:32 PM JST - 9th May
@MistWizard
First of all, NO ONE is saying the bombings were a GREAT thing to do... It's an unfortunate act that Japan, brought upon itself. It was given numerous opportunities to end the conflict, long before, it came to that... So you might say, that spirit of "Ganko" ultimately caused the Japanese people to suffer. It was the END of a war, NOT the beginning of the hundreds of attacks that Japan perpetrated on the rest of asia.
It Ended a War and prevented a costly ground invasion, for Americans AND THE JAPANESE... PERIOD!
And If you want to throw out this argument, because, you didn't know how evil Japan was...? Ha ha ha... It's like, "We'll as far as you knew, we were innocent..." Huh...?
I am not going to spend a lot of time trying to convince you, there's a say, "There's no use in arguing with a fool."
Here's some good reading for you! http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/17/opinion/17iht-edsteve.t.html
BTW: where's the museums in Japan dedicated to their victims in Asia...? I don't remember seeing any memorials to the hundreds of thousands of Chinese, Philippino's, and the other asians that Japan killed...?
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Spot on sarcasm123!
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